Aoyagi Natsumi, who is creating the exhibition along with you through the JUMP project, previously mounted the Logbook of a Sea Goddess exhibition at Towada Art Center. Why did you choose Aoyagi for this project?
Mitome: After being selected as a curator for JUMP, I talked with mentors and other curators about the project, and eventually, of the three museums overseas, I was assigned to CAM in Lisbon. Then, I thought about the artists whose exhibitions would be suitable for CAM and I came up with a list of a dozen names. These were mainly artists of the same generation who have a track record in Japan but have been rarely shown overseas. I had little knowledge of Lisbon, so I initially had a vague idea that I wanted to create an exhibition that was connected to the Portuguese painter and Illustrator Paula Rego (whose work deals with themes such as gender, sexuality, patriarchy and colonialism).
While I was struggling to narrow the list of candidates, in December 2024 I visited CAM along with Kataoka Mami, who is serving as a JUMP mentor, and this significantly updated my understanding of the project. Firstly, CAM, where the exhibition is to be held, is a building with many faces: the exterior is sometimes seamlessly connected to the interior by glass and sometimes completely shut out. Seeing that, I wondered who could create an installation that would fully exploit this fascinating yet challenging space? Thinking about it, I became convinced that Aoyagi would be able to make the most of this space in a compelling way.
The work will be birthed at CAM, and it is not as if it could come into existence at any other museum—it will be created from nothing starting with the research conducted in Portugal. Aoyagi’s works have examined the themes of ‘Mazu’ (the goddess of navigation worshipped mainly in China and Taiwan) and ‘invisible beings.’ I thought that we could connect these to Portugal’s Marian devotion and the country’s tradition of importing and exporting culture through navigation, and this was a major factor.
In May 2025 you were in Portugal to conduct research with Aoyagi. During your two-week research trip, you visited not only Lisbon, where CAM is located, but also other cities like Fatima and Porto.
Mitome: In this research trip, I was especially impressed by the public washhouses (lavadouros) found all over Portugal. When I saw Abraham’s Valley (1993) by Manoel de Oliveira, one of Portugal’s leading film directors, the washhouse scene left strong impression on me. When I shared this with Aoyagi, she was also very interested. So during this research trip we visited a number of lavadouros. These washhouses have been used by the local people since ancient times, and some are still in use even though most people now have washing machines. We actually visited about fourteen of these facilities, but there are many lavadouros that aren’t shown on maps, so my impression was that there are many of them in the places we visited.
It seems like we can gain some insights into the local community through these public washhouses. Will this exhibition likewise be a window into your thinking on the themes of feminism and the role of art museums?
Mitome: To be honest, I’m not yet quite sure. When I was in Portugal last December, the artist Leonor Antunes was showing the works of thirty-three female artists that she had chosen after a comprehensive review of the works in the CAM collection. And when I was there in May, the museum was presenting an exhibition of the works of Paula Rego and Adriana Varejão. Both exhibitions, presented in CAM’s main gallery space, were on the theme of feminism. I was encouraged by this, and I’d like to create an exhibition that fits in with CAM’s stance.
I think that in Japan some visitors would shy away from exhibitions that deal with political topics like feminism. Do you think that in Portugal people are ready to embrace these kinds of exhibitions?
Mitome: I think so. When I went to the Museu Nacional de Etnologia (National Museum of Ethnology) in Lisbon, there was an exhibition on Portuguese colonialism in Africa in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries and I saw words to the effect that learning about the history of Africa implies deciphering colonial values that have remained in Portuguese society and, hence, helping towards decolonizing its imaginary. Portugal established colonies around the world during the Age of Discovery, and Portuguese culture today derives from a complex mix of cultural elements, as can be seen in fado, a genre of folk music that emerged from the interaction between Portugal and its colonies in Brazil, Africa, and elsewhere. It’s remarkable that an exhibition addressing political themes and critically examining Portugal’s control and subjugation of such lands and peoples has a number of corporate sponsors. It seems like there is an environment that allows important themes to be examined without self-censorship.